Joining me for today's meander is Chaviva Lifson, whom you'll recall has been with us before. This time we explore two topics about joy - ritual and rebirth - and how these support her and give structure to her life. As an observant Jew, I've asked Chaviva to share with us some parts of her practice that support her and show how ritual and rebirth are part of her rich and ancient faith. It's always a gift to talk with my friend, I hope you'll enjoy this episode.